U.S. Department of Defense News Briefing
Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz
Saturday, January 31, 2004
(Participating were Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz and Army Maj.
Gen. John R. S. Batiste, commanding general, 1st Infantry Division.)
Wolfowitz: It's been a short but wonderful visit here, to meet an old friend,
General Batiste, and to get briefed on the plans for the 1st Infantry Division
to deploy to Iraq. It's a great tradition with a great history, and also a great
present. Wonderful leadership and wonderful spirit among the troops.
One of the statistics we heard, I'm not sure if you heard it before, is that
even though this division has been deployed I think more intensely than any
other division in the Army in the last couple of years with Balkan deployments,
it also has the highest retention rate in the Army. We saw wonderful spirit
among the families earlier today in their preparations to face a year of having
their loved ones far away from home in difficult and dangerous conditions. And
as I said to the families, the positive energy you sensed in that room was very
The biggest challenge in the immediate term is doing this big rotation of
forces. Just the sheer movement itself in insecure conditions is a challenge.
But that handoff from one division doing a very complicated job to another
division taking over that complicated job is, you have your work cut out for
you. But I must say based on the briefings that we heard today, they have really
thought this through carefully. They had the experience of doing this kind of
left seat/right seat handoff in Bosnia and Kosovo multiple times over the last
number of years, so I think it's been thought through as well as it can possibly
be and I think it will go successfully.
I think I'd just like to conclude by taking my opportunity once again to
publicly thank our troops and their families for the incredible support they
give our country. The skill and the courage with which they face the challenges
of this war are something we as Americans have to be always grateful for.
We'll take a few questions if you'd like.
Q: General Batiste, what is it that you will be able to bring there? What can
you do differently than the 4th ID has done to move along the security situation
and make it more secure than it is now?
Batiste: Initially we're going to take over from the 4th Infantry Division in
every respect. They've done a great job in Iraq and I really commend them for
what they've accomplished.
We will conduct a deliberate relief in place, so the answer to your question
initially is I'm going to do exactly what the 4th Infantry Division is doing
today and then I'll take it from there.
Q: From there any thoughts about what to do differently? You talked about using
different kinds of equipment, for instance, and having a slightly different
mission than they had going prepared for a war.
Batiste: The mission is the same. We have done a lot to upgrade our equipment in
the past three or four months with respect to armored kits on soft-skinned
vehicles, with respect to radios, and with respect to up-armored HUMVEES.
Q: Secretary Wolfowitz, I wanted to ask you what you thought about David Kay's
comments that he does not believe any weapons of mass destruction existed in
Iraq, and whether, how much hope do you hold out that such weapons still can be
found? I'm talking about biological, chemical stockpiles.
Wolfowitz: I think I've said before you have to make decisions based on the
intelligence you have, not on the intelligence you're going to discover later.
It's very important to try to have the best intelligence you possibly can have.
I think our intelligence community has done some extraordinary work. We've seen
it just recently with Libya where they basically caught the Libyan regime
cheating on the non-proliferation treaty. We saw it a couple of years ago when
they caught the North Korean regime cheating on the 1994 Nuclear Framework
Agreement. I believe, and I want to be careful, I certainly haven't read every
statement by David Kay, I think it's clear if we move away from the stockpiles
issue that the Iraqi regime was cheating on Resolution 1441 which was in fact
their last and final chance to comply with a whole series of U.N. resolutions.
But obviously intelligence is very important. It's very important to try to work
any time. It's imperfect. It's not a science, it's an art. It's important to
work to understand where you got it right, where you got it wrong, but we could
not possibly accomplish what we do in the world without magnificent work by our
Q: Did you say it's clear we move away from stockpiles? Is that what you said? I
just want to make sure I heard you right.
Wolfowitz: I said --
Q: In terms of stockpiles.
Wolfowitz: I believe whatever David Kay has said about stockpiles of weapons,
that I think his reports have also made clear that Iraq was not complying with
Q: So you believe that [if no] WMD is found in Iraq in the future, do you still
believe that the war against Iraq was justified?
Wolfowitz: We have an important job to do in Iraq, an absolutely critical job to
do, and that is to help the Iraqi people build a free and democratic country. I
think you heard earlier today even in the support group that the Victory
Division is defining victory, and we haven't made it yet in Iraq but we're
heading there and it's going to be a very important turning point in the whole
war on terrorism. The Middle East for the last 20 years has been heading down
the wrong road. We've seen some of the results of that on September 11th. The
Iraqi people have a chance now to start turning the course of history and
putting it on the right road. That's what we have to keep our eye on.
Q: On the present situation in Iraq, one of the things we've heard a lot is,
General Abizaid has said this, others have said this, you have said this I
believe, that there are a finite number of enemies. You can give the figure
5,000. We believe there are 5,000 here, 4,000 there. How confident are you that
there is a finite number, and couldn't that number be growing given what's going
on? Going back to Secretary Rumsfeld's slog memo.
Wolfowitz: There is a finite number but we're not talking mathematical. I have
never said that we know the number with any kind of precision. In fact what I've
tried to emphasize is for 35 years that country was ruled by murderers and
torturers. They numbered in the tens of thousands. Saddam didn't kill a million
people all by himself. Those people are still around. Some of them have decided
to continue killing Americans and Iraqis because they somehow believe they'll
get back to power.
Our goal is to kill and capture as many of those people as we can find; to
encourage the others to recognize it's a new and different Iraq. But most
importantly for the 95 percent or so of Iraqis, and I didn't (Inaudible.)
number. There are an overwhelming majority of Iraqis who hate that old regime
and want to live in a free country. We have to convince them that that is their
future, because if you've been living under that kind of fear for that long
you're still going to sit on the fence for quite a while before you decide that
it's safe to climb over on our side. Building confidence in the future, which is
something that our soldiers are doing every day, is a week-by-week progress in
Iraq, but we've been making I think very real progress.
The capture of Saddam Hussein was obviously a huge step in that direction, but
there's still a lot more to do.
Q: General Batiste, do you think when you get there that your time is going to
be primarily spent on going after former regime loyalists and anti-coalition
forces? Or is it going to be primarily on the reconstruction and civil affairs
work? How do you think that's going to come down?
Wolfowitz: I think it's going to be done simultaneously. On the one hand we'll
be killing and capturing terrorists and foreign fighters, those kinds of people.
Simultaneously we've got our work cut out with respect to stability and support
operations to set the conditions for Iraqi civil/military self reliance.
Q: Thank you.
U.S. Department of Defense News Briefing
Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz
Saturday, January 31, 2004
(Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz Interview with the Armed Forces Network)
Question: Joining us today is Deputy Secretary of Defense Mr. Paul Wolfowitz.
May I take this opportunity to welcome you to Wurzburg, Germany, and the home of
the Big Red One.
Wolfowitz: It's good to be here.
Q: I'm glad you are here, by the way.
There's a major rotation taking place in and out of Iraq in support of the war
on terrorism and the 1st Infantry Division going down to replace the 4th
Infantry Division. What do you see as 1st ID's main role and challenges during
Wolfowitz: The main role, with all our wonderful troops in Iraq, is to help the
Iraqi people stand on their own feet and build a free and democratic Iraq which
is a big challenge, but I think they've already made enormous progress in the
eight months since we liberated Baghdad. The troops have done an absolutely
At a more division-focused level, (Inaudible.) has laid out very clearly the two
major missions of this force. One is to work with the Iraqi people to build
their confidence and to defeat the people that are still trying to terrorize and
intimidate them, and the other is to build Iraqi capacity for their own
political and security affairs.
I would put in that category one of the most important things our troops are
doing, and they do it on a scale that is still not appreciated, is training
Iraqis to stand and fight for their own country. There are almost 200,000 Iraqis
now in the police and the Facilities Protection Service and the army the border
guard, and a fifth force which I think is maybe the most important one, called
the Civil Defense Corps. The Civil Defense Corps people are all trained by our
divisions. One of the big missions the 1st ID will take over from the 4th ID is
training the Civil Defense Corps in that important area which is sometimes
called the triangle area.
Q: Do you see any challenges for the 1st ID?
Wolfowitz: Oh, huge challenges. I'm sure they're going to do a magnificent job.
One of the big challenges, and we had some very good briefings on it today, is
the handoff, because we're not just handing off a tactical battle from one
division to another division, and that's a tricky enough operation in military
terms, but you're handing off a whole political/military set of relationships
where the 4th ID has built incredibly important relations with local people
throughout their area of operation. 1st ID is going to need to pick those up in
as seamless a way as possible.
One of the very good things is they've developed this whole technique called the
left seat/right seat handoff through many rotations in Bosnia and Kosovo that
presented exactly the same kind of challenge. The plan they presented us today
is very systematic and well thought through, so I'm feeling good about it.
Q: Having the opportunity to go around and visit with the 1st ID troops and
their family members, and their part in Operation Iraqi Freedom, how prepared do
you think they are to handle the mission?
Wolfowitz: Very well prepared. They're well trained, well led, psychologically
equipped, I think, and really thinking about the mission. The fact that they've
done these deployments to the Balkans also means they have a sense of what this
kind of stabilization mission entails. It's harder in Iraq because we're still
fighting an enemy there, but I think that experience in the Balkans should be
Q: Now that the year-long Operation Iraqi Freedom I is getting
(Inaudible.) pretty soon Iraqi Freedom II. What do you think families can expect
from a year-long deployment now that one's already been done?
Wolfowitz: We had a very good meeting with the Family Readiness Group here.
Colonel Kalenda is obviously an outstanding officer and General Batiste is
dedicated to this whole family support mission. It's a challenge. It's an
enormous challenge. Just the idea of being separated from your loved one for a
whole year under any circumstances is difficult, and in circumstances dangerous,
obviously much more difficult. It almost is inspirational to see the spirit of
the families pull together to support their troops. That's the key to success,
because the more the soldiers in the field can keep their eye on the mission the
more successful they'll be, the safer they'll be, and in the long run everyone
benefits from it. But that requires a lot of [mutual] assistance from families
to get through these times.
One of the things we're trying very hard to do in the Defense Department, I'd
say 98 percent successful, but 98 percent isn't good enough, is to give people
real certainty that it is a one-year deployment. At the end of one year they're
coming back home to their families here.
I found it also impressive that 99 percent of the families have chosen to stay
here in Germany with the other families instead of going back to hometowns in
the United States. That's a real vote of confidence in the support network
that's provided here.
The other vote of confidence which is really inspirational is this division is
one of the highest units (Inaudible.) in the Army. Even though they've had one
of the most stressful sequences of deployment in the Army. So they are obviously
incredible patriots and we are very, very grateful for that.
Q: Waging a war on terrorists is no easy task. How do you think we're doing and
what steps are still necessary for our success?
Wolfowitz: I think we've made a great deal of progress, enormous progress on
many fronts. But this is a big problem. It's developed over some people would
say 10 years, some would say 20, some would even say 30. It's certainly been a
very long time. It's not going to disappear overnight. But the fact that 2500
people in Afghanistan have been liberated from an evil bureaucratic regime, and
they've just ratified a new constitution that guarantees equal rights for men
and women and does some other very good things, that's a huge victory against
terrorism. The fact that Iraq, 25 million Iraqis have been liberated from a
regime of sadists and torturers (Inaudible.). It was one of the most brutal
regimes around. That's a liberating event that allows one of the first
opportunities in the Arab world for Arabs to demonstrate that there's a much
better path for their people to follow than the one the terrorists are offering.
We're hunting and capturing large numbers of terrorists. I would say every time
they score what looks to them like a tactical victory when they kill people in
Indonesia, they kill people in Saudi Arabia, they kill people in Turkey, what
we're finding is instead of it being a strategic victory for the terrorists it
makes more people angrier. The Saudis are now chasing them in a way they never
did before; the Indonesians are chasing them in a way they never did before; the
Turks are much more united against terrorists than they were before.
So I think we're making progress. But let's make no mistake. It's a long war.
It's a different kind of war. The victory in Iraq which the 1st Infantry
Division is going to help us win is going to be a major contribution to that
longer term [objective].
Q: Speaking of changes, since the end of the Cold War, the military has been in
a constant state of change. How do you see the role of the forces stationed in
Europe in particular changing over the next decade?
Wolfowitz: You said it correctly, a constant state of change. The Cold War,
which was not a pleasant chapter in history, did have a certain kind of iron
stability to it. We knew we had to have multiple divisions in Germany year after
year after year because there were 20 Soviet divisions in East Germany and
another 100 or so divisions backed up behind them. We planned rigorously around
that kind of scenario.
We discovered -- the Soviet threat went away, and that's a good thing, but the
world didn't suddenly become a marvelous, totally peaceful place. But we need to
be able to deal with the unpredictable. If anyone had said in the summer of 2001
that we were going to fight a war in Afghanistan I would have said you're crazy.
Well, maybe not quite that radical. I would have stopped and thought about it.
So the key in designing and deploying our forces now is flexibility, the ability
to respond rapidly to changing situations, the ability to apply the right amount
of force which sometimes may be much smaller than a big force to get there
quicker. In the Pentagon we are reshaping our global footprint which means more
in some places, less in other places, but generally to be lighter on our feet I
think is a way to think about it.
Q: Since you are at the Pentagon, hearing the lingo that you're talking about,
us servicemen that are stationed overseas, we tend to forget or not hear
(Inaudible.) what the American people are saying, their view. What do you think
their view is of the military stationed overseas right now?
Wolfowitz: It is overwhelmingly positive. I want to say this very clearly. You
can read a lot of debates about a particular issue, about whether the war in
Iraq was the right war at the right time. None of that translates into
(Inaudible.) about the military.
A case in point, Time Magazine Man of the Year, Person of the Year, and it's the
American Soldier. That I think just about says it all except it doesn't say what
I'd like to say which is we are so grateful for the dedication and commitment
and patriotism (Inaudible.), and the extraordinary level of skill and competence
that's been displayed in the last couple of years. It makes you proud to be an
Q: Thank you so much for your time, sir. I hope you enjoy the rest of your visit
with the Big Red One.
Wolfowitz: Thank you very much.