DR. MURRAY:  Let us call this meeting to order.  Good
morning.  This is the 9 December meeting of the Genetics
Subcommittee of the National Bioethics Advisory Commission.  I
want to welcome all members of the commission, commission staff
and guests.
     We have got a lot of work to do today and we have a few
people here who we have requested to be here in order to help us
with one issue or another but, as I understand it, we have no
formal scheduled appearances by guests.  
     If anyone wishes to speak during the time offered for public
commentary and testimony, please indicate that wish to a member
of the commission staff--I guess Pat--to Patricia Norris, who is
standing in the back there.  Otherwise, I think we should dig
right in and try to make progress today.
     Today is an opportunity for commissioners to talk amongst
themselves; to try to reach agreement, insofar as possible, on
the substance of the report.  You have, in your handouts, a
proposed tentative outline of the report and the various
chapters.      We would like, by the end of the day, to know the
areas--points--on which we have substantial agreement.  We would
like to have some characterization of that agreement that we can
render into a text.  
     We would also like to know what holes there are.  That is a
very important part of our task today.  If there are specific
things that ought to be in the final report--descriptions,
analyses, et cetera--that we haven't yet commissioned, we need to
know what they are, and we need to have at least a beginning of a
plan on how we are going to fill those holes.  And we need to
know what areas of substantial--
     MS. HYATT-KNORR:  This was at the--     DR. MURRAY:  We need
to know what areas of substantial disagreement remain.
     We have this tentative outline.  At the end of the meeting,
we will revise the outline and circulate it back to ourselves, of
course, but also to the other members of the commission.  We
would like for them to have some idea of what we are going to do.
     One other imperative that we have, which we won't try to
accomplish today but rather set out today, is which other groups,
individuals, et cetera, ought to be responding to the report,
giving us feedback about its nature and substance, and we would
like some--  We may solicit your help in figuring out who those
people and groups are.
     That is all I have by way of introduction.
     Henrietta, is there anything else administrative that you
need to say?
     MS. HYATT-KNORR:  Well, those of you who seem to be
concerned about the cost of the room, that is what we agreed
upon, and certainly we are prepared to reimburse you, so just
don't worry.  Be happy.  That is it.
     DR. MURRAY:  Okay.  Very good.